My sibling always seemed to be responsible so this came as a shock. My dad co-signed the college application, and he’s been getting calls and letters from the bank for months, if not a year, but my sibling always said that they were taking care of the payments. They were just a month behind, a late payment, etc.. My parents were always told that it would be taken care of and they didn’t have to worry.
My parents tried to apply for a small loan to fix their driveway and they were denied. That’s how they found out. My dad’s credit is shot and they are in debt. They had no idea.
Turns out my sibling spends all of their time high, buying weed and edibles. They’re blowing money on tattoos and traveling. Impulse purchases and bad decisions. They put “fun money” before paying the bills. They and their spouse bought brand new cars which got repoed. They’re losing their house and everything they own. At least that’s what they say, but on Facebook they post their travels and go to festivals.
Now my parents owe the bank $60k+. The bank won’t settle and payments are $700/month. My dad was going to retire in a few years. They were working on fixing up the house and their plans of that are shot. They’ve struggled for years and finally got to a good place within the last 10 years.
My parents have tried to reach out to my sibling and they’ve heard nothing. My sibling told my parents that they won’t help pay the student loans before going no contact. My parents said that they wish my sibling had come to them when they were struggling so they could’ve figured out a plan.
I don’t think there’s any way of fixing this situation…. Does anyone else have advice?
While the co-signer is legally obligated to pay the debt, that does not absolve the primary borrower from the obligation to pay. If your father pays the loan, he can then sue your brother for the debt and get a judgement against him to collect.
You should have a serious talk about them updating their will after this as well.
– people suck, including siblings. A co-signer is 100% responsible and why its ALWAYS discourage. Nothing to do about this except pay
– pretty much have to disown this sibling, sad fact as it may be
Make sure that the payments are covered and lawyer up to see how you guys can get money from your sibling.
However co signer means also responsibly.. might be nothing left but to say please…
He is a co-signer so he is just as responsible to pay the loan as your brother. All there is to do is work out a plan to pay the loans. Sorry.
>I don’t think there’s any way of fixing this situation…. Does anyone else have advice?
No real advice other than to learn from this experience and never co-sign a loan yourself.
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>Now my parents owe the bank $60k+. The bank won’t settle and payments are $700/month.
Co-signing makes you equally responsible for the loan. That’s the whole point. There is no motivation for the lender to do anything to help.
This happened to my dad. My younger sister has 200k+ in private student loans. She defaulted and did not tell my dad immediately. My dad went to go buy a piece of property for his retirement, gorgeous ranch. When they started to do credit checks is when / how he found out.
My dad, furious and every right to be. He ended up cashing out some of his 401k to pay it all. Delayed his retirement and he lost the opportunity to buy his retirement land. Obviously there is still some tension between my dad and my sister.
My sister got married two years back and instead of paying for her wedding – he paid off the debt.
If $60k is the deal breaker for retiring, then your parents weren’t ready or even close to being able to retire soon.
This sucks, but really nothing for them to do other than pay the loan.
It shouldn’t have been a surprise to them that they were in debt because, as a co-signer, they should have known that they were literally taking out a loan in their name. That’s what a co-signer is.
General advice is that one should never co-sign for anything that they’re not prepared to pay 100% of on their own.
I’m lucky that my mom co-signed private student loans for me when my federal loans didn’t end up covering my tuition fully (I went to a public college, but my mom made too much money on paper for me to qualify for any aid or to even get loans that would fully cover tuition — despite her being a single mom of 4). But she knew that by co-signing she was essentially taking on that debt in her name and would have been on the hook for the entire balance if I was unable to pay it all myself (or if I pulled a stunt like your sibling has done).
If 60K destroys your parents retirement, they are not really ready to retire. This should serve as a wake up call for them.
Financial advice is simply to pay the debt by whatever means necessary. Do your parents own their home? If so is a HELOC an option? Could they rent a room in their house for $1000 a month? Are you able to help in any way? If your sibling is earning money your parents need to sue them in court for the balance. That way their wages can be garnished.
Beyond that I’d personally be on the sibling’s doorstep at 9am tomorrow morning and I wouldn’t be leaving without everything they own in the back of a U-Haul truck. I’d be blasting exactly what they’ve done to Facebook, I’d be talking to the spouse’s parents etc. etc. Don’t let them get away with this shit.
It is probably worth talking to a consumer protection lawyer or a lawyer who specialies in student loans. Often, the banks have made mistakes in the paperwork or in how they keep records and you can fight the debt, even if you owe the money. I am a consumer protection lawyer and have handeld these sorts of cases and have had some success getting concessions and loans dropped/dismissed. If you tell me what state they are in I might know someone there who could help.
I’m so sorry. My response would be to take out a loan (possibly from equity in the house) to reduce the payments to something more reasonable.
Then I would contact a lawyer or two about taking some sort of action against the ass. He’s also responsible for the loan. Perhaps it’s possible to seize some assets or declared incompetent…
You mentioned that this is destroying their “plans of retirement”. Under no circumstances should they cash our their retirement funds to pay this. By retirement funds I mean tax deferred accounts. Depending on the state, a creditor cannot come after these accounts.
Could they sue your sibling?
This happened to my mom. A granddaughter went to college. SIL (granddaughter’s mom) applied for a loan. My mom cosigned. Of course SIL didn’t stay current. I was handling my mom’s money and found out what was going on when I got the letters from NAVIENT.
My mom didn’t need credit so it didn’t affect her. When mom died the letters stopped. I haven’t asked SIL if the loan was called due or not. It’s not my business any longer.
In a strange cosign twist, my mom did cosign for that same granddaughter’s car loan. Granddaughter paid on time with no issies.
I am not in any way saying that it is right that your parents are on the hook for this.
But if $60k is breaking their plans for retirement, I hate to say it but they were never going to actually retire.
This is why I refused to take out a loan for my kids to go to college. I work for an institution of higher learning and see firsthand every day how little my students know and understand the implications of financial decisions they make. I have had to show college seniors how to balance a checkbook. It is pathetic how little our schools and parents are teaching our youth about personal financial responsibility!
The best course of action is to find out what type of loan was taken out. Your parents may possibly be able to declare bankruptcy to get from under it, depending on whether it’s a private loan or not. A consult with a lawyer would not be a bad idea either way.
Most likely, it is not a dischargeable loan, so it will have to be paid. If that’s the case, do your parents have anything they can sell that might bring in a chunk of change? If you do, reach out to the lender and advise them that your parents are selling property worth $XXXX.XX and will put that down on the loan. Then, ask the lender if the balance of the loan could be refinanced to a lower payment if you do this. Start that process ASAP. Get the payments down to an affordable level.
And plan on your sibling, never making any overtures to pay. They won’t. They don’t care. They are high and it’s not their problem. You will not be able to guilt them into being a responsible adult.
Good luck. I wish there were more options; however, after ignoring the bank correspondence for a long time, there may not be much leeway in options.
Get as much detail on the loans as you can and head over to the student loans sub to see what options are available payment wise. Without knowing the type (private vs parent plus, etc…) it is impossible to say what repayment plans are available. But there may be repayment options that work better for your parents situation that others. It sounds like the loans are completely private since you talk about the bank so options may be limited. However, its worth posting there about it (with more info) and see what they say.
How can 60k derail your retirement? If thats all your parents had saved they were never going to retire at all.
Sounds like there is a good chance sibling may have a drug addiction.
Salvage what you can in court, and now it’s time to start paying that debt.
Everybody in here saying sue the brother, like he cares about having a judgment against him.
I would say that have your dad pull a hardship loan from his retirement account to pay the balance off in full. Let compound interest replace the amount over two to three years while suing your brother to pay him back with interest so that a judge can garnish his check and allow your dad to still retire around the same time frame with your sibling paying the difference out their paycheck
How were they planning on retiring in a few years if 60k is enough to derail that?
Social security?
“Retirement” is a financial state, not an age.
Have you tried public shaming?
One of the lessons from this subreddit: never cosign a loan and if you do, ensure that you could take on the debt if it comes to it.
Honestly, if $60,000 is going to impact their retirement plans, they weren’t prepared for retirement.
Unfortunately they are responsible for the loans. They could try to shame them into paying. So when they post a vacation pic, you or them could comment why you are going on a vacation when you have not paid your student loans and the bank is coming after us for it? They will delete the comment but at least friends will see it until they take it down.
Geeeeez. That stinks for your parents and I’m so sorry this happened to them. Apparently your sibling valued their relationship with you all at under 60k, and I think that’s sad. =(
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Your parents defaulted on a loan as well
Your parents should have been following up on those calls and letters rather than just blindly ignoring them and assuming sibling had it covered.
I haven’t seen any comments about this but it should also be a lesson to your parents to check their credit score every month.
If 60k was your parents retirement then something isn’t mathing up correctly
Next college application and loan are two different things
Story isn’t mathing again
And this is why co-signing loans is pretty much universally considered a bad idea. I understand a parent wanting to co-sign for their kids to get better rates, or send them to the expensive private school they want. But this is the danger.
>he’s been getting calls and letters from the bank for months, if not a year….
>They had no idea.
This sucks but come on. Trust, but verify. Especially when you know your ass is on the hook. This doesn’t help your parents but is the moral of the story for everyone else reading this.
Beyond that, there is not much to do but pay up. Legally it’s their debt as much as your siblings. If they were going to retire in a few years, they should have 60k liquid right now and depending on the interest rate – it’s probably worth paying off in bulk immediately. If not, compare a HELOC rate with the student loan rate and maybe go that route.
These must be private student loans, which can have terrifying rates, so finding cheaper-to-borrow money is in their best interest if it’s possible (and they don’t have it in cash already). Equity in the home is the most likely place to grab it.
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